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	<title>Comments on: Art and artisans: the debate we had to have</title>
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		<title>By: Kevin Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Andrew. This site is the best place to keep in touch. But I&#039;ll also put you down for Two Hands, a seasonal newsletter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Andrew. This site is the best place to keep in touch. But I&#8217;ll also put you down for Two Hands, a seasonal newsletter.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew widdis</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew widdis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Kevin,
Thanks for your reply.
Please let me know more about, or how I can follow/research &quot;a Code of Practice for Craft-Design Collaborations&quot;.
Cheers, Andrew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Kevin,<br />
Thanks for your reply.<br />
Please let me know more about, or how I can follow/research &#8220;a Code of Practice for Craft-Design Collaborations&#8221;.<br />
Cheers, Andrew.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment Andrew. It&#039;s very important that we hear from makers like yourself about the opportunities for out-sourcing. Certainly, there&#039;s a sadness that you are being forced to take this option, due to the lesser value of handmade here (hopefully that will change one day). But at the same time, I can see that you like many find the association with makers in more traditional societies most inspiring. As far as I know, Fair Trade deal mostly with associations, rather than individuals. There is a Code of Practice for Craft-Design Collaborations in development, though that won&#039;t be around for a while. But we&#039;d certainly welcome your thoughts as it evolves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Andrew. It&#8217;s very important that we hear from makers like yourself about the opportunities for out-sourcing. Certainly, there&#8217;s a sadness that you are being forced to take this option, due to the lesser value of handmade here (hopefully that will change one day). But at the same time, I can see that you like many find the association with makers in more traditional societies most inspiring. As far as I know, Fair Trade deal mostly with associations, rather than individuals. There is a Code of Practice for Craft-Design Collaborations in development, though that won&#8217;t be around for a while. But we&#8217;d certainly welcome your thoughts as it evolves.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew widdis</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew widdis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Kevin, 
Seems there is a lot of talk about Western artists getting work made in third world countries as a way of keeping costs down. 
I have been heading this way for a number of years now.  I can&#039;t make a living making ceramics in Australia. I can&#039;t compete with Maxwell and Williams, and Australians do not have an appreciation for the handmade. 
I tried to find a manufacturer in Australia to make my ceramics. I spoke with Bendigo pottery. The product they were prepared to make for me was in mid-fire clay, not porcelain, a poor colour range, chunky and at ten times the price of Asia. 
I&#039;ve finally realised that Australia has never had a strong ceramics manufacturing industry. So, having no success finding someone who could make anything similar to what I want in Australia I decided to look at getting ceramics made in China or the like. 
I&#039;ve settled on Vietnam to have my ceramics made. I was there in 2004 and bought a lovely hand thrown bowl. Made in a small factory in Batrang Village, I liked how it was still a craft in Vietnam. Not mass produced white ware from China.
My only remaining issue is how to ensure a proper environment/lifestyle/pay for the person making my work. I see something like &quot;Fairtrade&quot; as vital. It not only gives me a peace of mind, but it also conveys that to the end buyer. 
Over the next month I will contact Fairtrade to see if they would cover ceramic production in Vietnam. I know they cover handcrafts from the highlands of Vietnam. 
If you have any suggestions, I would love to hear them.
Cheers, 
P.S. I still plan to make as much as I do now. It&#039;s what I love to do. Having work made overseas will give me the ability to make a living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Kevin,<br />
Seems there is a lot of talk about Western artists getting work made in third world countries as a way of keeping costs down.<br />
I have been heading this way for a number of years now.  I can&#8217;t make a living making ceramics in Australia. I can&#8217;t compete with Maxwell and Williams, and Australians do not have an appreciation for the handmade.<br />
I tried to find a manufacturer in Australia to make my ceramics. I spoke with Bendigo pottery. The product they were prepared to make for me was in mid-fire clay, not porcelain, a poor colour range, chunky and at ten times the price of Asia.<br />
I&#8217;ve finally realised that Australia has never had a strong ceramics manufacturing industry. So, having no success finding someone who could make anything similar to what I want in Australia I decided to look at getting ceramics made in China or the like.<br />
I&#8217;ve settled on Vietnam to have my ceramics made. I was there in 2004 and bought a lovely hand thrown bowl. Made in a small factory in Batrang Village, I liked how it was still a craft in Vietnam. Not mass produced white ware from China.<br />
My only remaining issue is how to ensure a proper environment/lifestyle/pay for the person making my work. I see something like &#8220;Fairtrade&#8221; as vital. It not only gives me a peace of mind, but it also conveys that to the end buyer.<br />
Over the next month I will contact Fairtrade to see if they would cover ceramic production in Vietnam. I know they cover handcrafts from the highlands of Vietnam.<br />
If you have any suggestions, I would love to hear them.<br />
Cheers,<br />
P.S. I still plan to make as much as I do now. It&#8217;s what I love to do. Having work made overseas will give me the ability to make a living.</p>
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		<title>By: Paola Moreno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paola Moreno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muchas gracias por este post ... es TAN importante que estos temas estén hablandose en alguna parte del mundo. Ojalá el Código de Práctica sea un buen incentivo para continuar esta discusión en otras partes del sur y del norte.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muchas gracias por este post &#8230; es TAN importante que estos temas estén hablandose en alguna parte del mundo. Ojalá el Código de Práctica sea un buen incentivo para continuar esta discusión en otras partes del sur y del norte.</p>
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